Exploits?

[DevilShootsDevil]

What exactly defines an exploit? We all see that message on any TF2 server that using exploit will get us perma banned, but how do we know that we are not exploiting the game? I found this neat video, well and I didn't know about a lot of spots there.. Does any of them fall into the exploit category? Especially on Granary, those spots are fricking amazing. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ePbfM6qtu5U

[TaylorP]

Nice jumps

[Frustian]

I think the general rule is it's an exploit if you can't see what you are standing on. i.e. an invisible ceiling or behind/under the map.

I think I only saw one of the granary jumps get up to an 'invisible ceiling'.


I like doing this as a demo on 2fort sometimes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12wJUJqQq8&feature=related
I usually do it in one jump from my battlements, and there IS a similar spot on the red side, but it's a little higher and it's standing on a crack or something small on the tower.

You can see how many marks on the ground he has from trying to get the jumps before he made it, hard ones like those are not very useful in matches, even if you get up there you will probably only get 2 kills before somebody finds your spot and kills you.

[MiNdWaRp]

Exploits are sorta depending on the person who's defining, but, in my opinion, anything you shouldn't be able to do or seems to be an accident is an exploit. For example, I'd call the exploit on dustbowl round 2 I think it is where Demos sit up in that little corner in the cap room an exploit. Planting a sentry in the wall on round 3 dustbowl is an exploit, because you're not supposed to be able to do that. Shooting through closed doors before the 60 seconds is up is an exploit, the doors are there to protect the teams and pipebombs cannot fit through such minuscule holes.

Basically, an exploit is anything that gives you an unfair advantage in a game. Best to just stick to the platforms that were made for you to walk on and shoot where you're supposed to be able to shoot to be safe.

[FourierT]

In my opinion, if you can get to a spot using a rocket/demo jump, it is not an exploit. However, if such a jump results in being able to walk in the air (sky walking) or stuck underground, it is an exploit.

Sky walk exploit:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K-xs_lWC8Eo

Underground exploit:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QeyviYcNTZk

Another common exploit is shooting through the grates before the map starts in Dustbowl. The pyro flames go through and the demo pipe bombs get through as well.

The jumps in the video you linked to seem OK to me. YMMV.

[ungst]

the best answer i can give is...if to other people it looks like you're standing in mid air...you probably shouldnt be there. Also if you're in a relatively questionable spot and an admin asks you to move, even if you think they're horribly wrong, just move :)

for reference though id ask people to not stand on the very top of C on gravel pit, and some of those high up places around granary's mid point

[MiNdWaRp]

I like doing this as a demo on 2fort sometimes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12wJUJqQq8&feature=related

I would probably slap you off for this one. You're not supposed to be able to get up there.

The way I see it, if you can run along the entire surface of it, it's okay. If you're limited to the edge of it (invisible wall on msot of the surface) you shouldn't be up there.

[DevilShootsDevil]

Another common exploit is shooting through the gates before the map starts in Dustbowl. The pyro flames go through and the demo pipe bombs get through as well.


Yeah but flame going through the gates is.. normal?

[MiNdWaRp]

Yeah, flame going through the gates isn't as bad because it's easily avoidable. Stickies through the gates are a nuissance because you have to stay back for 60 seconds further then normal to ensure you stay alive before the round starts, which is just a tool for griefing.

[aka]

This is the most common dustbowl exploit lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijs9YbVv1g
have to build threw a ceiling to get there.

[Zero Hero]

If valve didn't want you to do something, they wouldn't have programmed it in the game.

[Crayola]

If valve didn't want you to do something, they wouldn't have programmed it in the game.

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[Zero Hero]

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I don't care - people know I grief. Thanks for posting all these links to videos about exploiting, especially that one regarding the dustbowl skywalk. I tried it on my own server and it is quite amazing.

BTW, what a childish thing to do - I assumed most of TNR were mature adults, guess I was wrong.

[iheartyou]

They didn't "program" it into the game. These were areas that were not intended for people to get to/into, or they were overlooked by developer's(as there are many clever players out there) hence the term EXPLOIT.
That is why there are patches to fix such development overlooks.
I find ledges are alright(at least on dustbowl), if you get killed from a spot i'm sure you'll learn and look tehre next time. But those places on granary man, those are badass. lights are fully rendered so you can stand on the wood... i think that should be fixed.

[cujo]

The irony of someone who uses exploits calling US immature =.=

[Zero Hero]

The irony of someone who uses exploits calling US immature =.=

I've never exploited on any TNR server apart from the gate exploit back in December before I was made aware that it was bannable. Though, I do not see the connection between maturity and using exploits - lots of mature gamers cheat, that's hardly an excuse to describe their mentality.

I think the irony in this case is someone trying to sound smart by trying to make connections between two less than ironic things.

[notorious]

LOLUMAD?

[cujo]

I find it rather immature of someone to cheat, exploit, or otherwise create a lopsided gaming environment with anything other than real skill. Feats of super dickery do not exactly promote one's maturity, do they?

Get off your high horse, and go play with some legos or something :)

[WiseGuy]

Guys stop flaming each other, your not proving anything.

An exploit is anything not originally intended by the developers.

This includes but is not limited by things like getting to areas you normally wouldn't think possible (skywalking, invisible ledges) or shooting weapons through walls (like the gates).

Doing this sort of thing on our servers is a bannable offense although i find most of the time an admin will warn you first, in case u missed the 100 messages already telling you not to. If an admin warns you about exploiting, consider it a favor on your behalf, do not argue.

Thanks,
`WiseGuy

[Hieyeck]

we've gone thru this discussion already. if it's devastatingly game breaking, valve with get it fixed fast. if it doesn't get fixed valve doesn't see it as a high priority, which means there is a counter to it and everyone will eventually learn of that special little spot and how to deal with it until it just becomes another part of the game.

[Zero Hero]

I find it rather immature of someone to cheat, exploit, or otherwise create a lopsided gaming environment with anything other than real skill. Feats of super dickery do not exactly promote one's maturity, do they?

Get off your high horse, and go play with some legos or something :)

The problem with definition of what is mature in regards to TF2 depends on the person speaking. As we have discussed previously, ones view is different that another. I am not going to tell you that your view is wrong, nor will I re-tell you my view, as it is stated above.

Since this is now solved, I think it is safe to say that you are racist against high horses.

[Crayola]

Since this is now solved, I think it is safe to say that you are racist against high horses.

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[DevilShootsDevil]

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[gOOCH]

fucking good thread, would read again

[notorious]

fucking good thread, would read again


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....oh.....i just wanted to get in on the fun....

[cujo]

Since this is now solved, I think it is safe to say that you are racist against high horses.

Racist against high horses?! When did it become racist to tell people to sexually pleasure their mighty steeds?

[WiseGuy]

lol gooch

[gOOCH]

confirm/deny

[NPH]

All sorts of exploits are being figured out since the dustbowl roof jumping trick, for example:

[cujo]

I don't really see a point to posting videos of all the exploits so that anyone who comes on these forums can know how to use them =.=

[NPH]

Rasing public awareness.

Anyway,



Basically, an exploit is anything that gives you an unfair advantage in a game.

Does THIS count :lol:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8575/sightx5.jpg

It ended up slightly worse than that. Should we be expected to try against a team we expect to win?

[gOOCH]

thats when u just press f10

rofl mike

[Cleavage Monkey]

//NRM is a member...doesn't mean they have any skill whatsoever (me for example).

[gOOCH]

it means ur on vent together, which imo is more important then skill in tf2

[Frustian]

it means ur on vent together, which imo is more important then skill in tf2

I hardly ever go on vent and I still use the // NRM

[ungst]

lol i like how KT's face is circled.

[Mike-KT]

I must be the prettiest person there. Our team was really good, but there were really good people on Red too. We eventually rolled them, but we didn't start doing well till the end

[NPH]

Don't think I'd forget about you Knight Templar.

So, I hope I've at least raised a few eyebrows. I am not against playing with your friends, but I am against putting a CAL team up against pubs and than steamrolling them until they leave. When there's a small amount of people, and they're evenly matched, go ahead play with a friend; but an entire team assembled out of a single group of people, all with voice chat and more than likely a higher skill level than the opposing team... It just seems like a bit much.

A lot of the time a match is decided when a person or two decides to tip the scales, and it hasn't just been a few rounds here and there. I think you should all wear your //NR or //NRM tags with pride and whatnot, but remember as representatives of the server as well you want everyone to have a good, hopefully as balanced as possible time.

[notorious]

NPH..that was deep

[cujo]

NPH, you're a dirty dirty stat massager! Its more like 5 - 1 which is...

GASP


83%!@#!

<_<

[Mike-KT]

Why doesn't Grum have the NRM tag?

[ungst]

I think you're over exaggerating a little here. It did't end up worse then the screenshot because RK joined the game and went red. There was 4 guys from the CAL team on one side, two on the other. The teams were a little unbalanced because we were all on vent and could talk easily, but i don't think it was very unbalanced skill wise.

edit for just in case:
I'm not saying that the teams never get stacked and that im not guilty of it sometimes...just commenting on this particular case

[Nekkris]

Why doesn't Grum have the NRM tag?

I think it's optional to be part of the pub team. :P