Drums.

[Normandiee]

#@$%#@%@1121@!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QigyYZ5VTvo

[SKULLCRUSHER]

Sounds like a whole lot of useless banging about.... I prefer someone with real talent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNGne4ZWB4

[Normandiee]

ok.. neil peart is not comparable, but Danny carey is amazing he changes time keys like 5 times in a song.. and to be able to play like him is pretty friggin hard, so the guy i showed you has tallent

[SKULLCRUSHER]

If you say so.

[NIS3R s Dad]

well Neil is a rider so that makes him pretty cool in my books. Ever read any of his books Ger? Anyone? Any good?

[SKULLCRUSHER]

No, never read his stuff. I'm just in awe of his musical and song writing skills. As you know I am a die-hard RUSH fan, so he is just awesome.

[Normandiee]

was rush created in cochrane/ontario?

[NIS3R s Dad]

Toronto... Willowdale area so legand says. They are all Canadians.

[SKULLCRUSHER]

Yea, they went to school around the corner from me in the Don Mills and Sheppard area. Geddy did anyway. He works out regularly at a gym where a friends mother-in-law works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGcOYhBKho&mode=related&search=

[Normandiee]

my dad saw them like 25 times before they became popular in cochrane..

[Vengeance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q31vvIDzVJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRaxQeirgWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlRdd-Ih8kc


- Same drummer as normandie, only with the music clearer.

Of course any drum alone will sound like senseless banging, but listen how he well he follows and how well he makes the music a hell of alot better. Danny Carrey is one of the top drummers for creativity in the world. He has developed his own therapy by using his drums to create rythms and this influences his music.


Tool is a fabulous band, if you haven't checked them out, grab a joint, and enjoy tool.

I'm sorry gerry, but if you can't recognize that as talent, then you have a very different sense of 'good' music. lol - don't get me wrong, if that is the case that's cool, but please don't shut this out thinking its senseless. actually listen to it and just let it vibe with the rest of the music; you might be suprised.

[Normandiee]

btw the drummer i showed you is a guy doing a cover of danny carey, ikts not danny itself. but yeah Danny is amazing.

[SKULLCRUSHER]

Well, the initial clip I heard wasnt very good. Perhaps I will give your clips a listen then Kiel.

[Zimba]

neil peart & flo mounier ftw
personally cant stand tool, if you wanna blaze and listen to music then do it with pink floyd, zeppelin, rush or sabbath

[Normandiee]

Zimba, learn an instrument and tell me you dont like tool again :D

[SKULLCRUSHER]

Alright Kiel, I will say this, in my opinion - take it how you may, the guy has talent. Perhaps its just the music that accompanies it that makes his contribution sound less then it should be. I'm no musician, but I know what I like when I hear it. I agree he has talent, but it just doesn't seem to have the same quality to that of Peart. Perhaps you need to be smokin' a few to really appreciate it, but I don't roll that way. I'll stick with my old school.

[Zimba]

Zimba, learn an instrument and tell me you dont like tool again :D

if you think their bass is impressive, listen to primus (one example).... i havnt heard a tool song that was impressive as everyone makes them out to be

[Normandiee]

primus is amazing i agree but if you would listen to tool carefully all then otes they play and how they transfer key changes and they go off beat then get back one then on goes off then the other one goes off then other one goes off.. and in one of the songs.. cant remember which one the singer uses the ''suite of fibonacci'' for his words for a complete verse .. which is pretty amazing. and yeah, music is not all about how it sounds, listen to the time keys how they play and change and go off beat every single verse..

[Zimba]

primus is amazing i agree but if you would listen to tool carefully all then otes they play and how they transfer key changes and they go off beat then get back one then on goes off then the other one goes off then other one goes off.. and in one of the songs.. cant remember which one the singer uses the ''suite of fibonacci'' for his words for a complete verse .. which is pretty amazing. and yeah, music is not all about how it sounds, listen to the time keys how they play and change and go off beat every single verse..

sorry but tool for me has been nothing more than someone with a pen on a hell of an acid trip

[Normandiee]

lmao. your stuck in the 80's.

[Zimba]

lmao. your stuck in the 80's.

and damn proud of it

[EyeMaster]

ha ha ha, Tool... that's not impressive drummin! Here you go, look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFwxGhr23LI

[Normandiee]

wow. you guys and your metal music.... that doesnt take talent.. that takes speed. i bet Danny carey would laugh watching this.

[Zimba]

wow. you guys and your metal music.... that doesnt take talent.. that takes speed. i bet Danny carey would laugh watching this.

i love how everyone thinks metal doesnt take talent because its fast, yet you continue to listen to bands like tool and tell me otherwise :lol:

i suggest you look for an album called unquestionable presence if you wanna be blown away by every instrument

[Zimba]

i cant believe i forgot to mention dave lombardo, i feel so ashamed

[Normandiee]

... any jazz drummer can play any metal song. end of story STFU. =)

[Zimba]

... any jazz drummer can play any metal song. end of story STFU. =)

you would love for that to be true and even if it was do you listen to jazz? is tool jazz? thanks

[mfkr]

Here's some Drumming for you guys. They are all insane. I have to agree with Normandiee though. Most Metal drummers started as jazz drummers. Flo Mourier is an excellent example of this.

Johnny Rabb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y8gmgG4W3M)

Marco Pitruzella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKWGCY00wIM)

Derek Roddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6u84suT6L8)

George Kollias (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnEkvwm7gs)

Flo Mouriner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLVjp65v_E)

Mike Portnoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCF2Tst-ohw)

[Zimba]

Here's some Drumming for you guys. They are all insane. I have to agree with Normandiee though. Most Metal drummers started as jazz drummers. Flo Mourier is an excellent example of this.

Johnny Rabb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y8gmgG4W3M)

Marco Pitruzella (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKWGCY00wIM)

Derek Roddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6u84suT6L8)

George Kollias (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnEkvwm7gs)

Flo Mouriner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGLVjp65v_E)

Mike Portnoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCF2Tst-ohw)

gotta love the canadian drummers, roddy did play for a couple good bands (malevolent creation & nile) yet they werent the greatest of albums
lombardo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpIpy1xU74

[Normandiee]

lmao.. i wish it was true? it is.. jazz drummers are way more talented then any metal drummers.

[Zimba]

lmao.. i wish it was true? it is.. jazz drummers are way more talented then any metal drummers.

you clown do you even listen to jazz? last time i checked theres no double bass

[Normandiee]

#$%^T%N#!@$I%@NTH$K@# M

jazz is not metal no need of double bass sdouble bass sucks.. im a drummer and i can do double bass as fast as any metal drummer but i dont like it cause it sucksss holy fuck music is not jsut about speeeeeeed


become a musician, then i'll let you talk to me again.

[mfkr]

I'm not going to say one genre of drummers are more talented than the other. They're drummers, and like we all know, they're just plain different.

[Zimba]

#$%^T%N#!@$I%@NTH$K@# M

jazz is not metal no need of double bass sdouble bass sucks.. im a drummer and i can do double bass as fast as any metal drummer but i dont like it cause it sucksss holy fuck music is not jsut about speeeeeeed


become a musician, then i'll let you talk to me again.

you can do it as fast as any metal drummer? i would love to see you keep up with the momentum and pace they have to keep it at and i know its not fucking easy as everyone interprets it to be

[NIS3R]

drumming was something i always wanted to do but we have always lived in appartmints and now i know i dont have time and wont learn it, cool vids though thx

[Normandiee]

wow zimba. do you play drums? did you ever play drums? no? thats what i tought. so how ywould you know more about drums then i do.

[pig]

ha ha ha, Tool... that's not impressive drummin! Here you go, look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFwxGhr23LI

danney carey is one of the most talented drummers there is.
Hes all technical, not all about speed or how he looks.


#$%^T%N#!@$I%@NTH$K@# M

jazz is not metal no need of double bass sdouble bass sucks.. im a drummer and i can do double bass as fast as any metal drummer but i dont like it cause it sucksss holy fuck music is not jsut about speeeeeeed


become a musician, then i'll let you talk to me again.


Well

I am a musician, Ive played with Jazz drummers and Rock drummers and Metal Drummers.

Currently Im in A metal Band. And if you say metal drummers have no skill, i bed to differ. My drummer is probably one of the best drummers ive seen in a long fucking time ( and i see alot of bands play ). And hes only 15.

haha. So if you wanna get started over metal drummers, give me a call well talk, k?

[Normandiee]

omg.. 5 vs 1 :( haha i never said metal drummers are not good, but as you said most of them are about speed and how they look. jazz drummers know there rudiments and everything, they can play any off beat songs and stuff... theyt know waht drumming actually is.. they dont just go on a drum set play as fast as they could and call themselves good.

[mfkr]

i never said metal drummers are not good,..........they dont just go on a drum set play as fast as they could and call themselves good.


I don't know, that last quote kinda makes it seem as if your saying Metal Drummers have no skill just speed. So any one that has any rhythm and the ability to bang fast can be a metal drummer?

[Zimba]

wow zimba. do you play drums? did you ever play drums? no? thats what i tought. so how ywould you know more about drums then i do.

no but i do know and talk to plenty of drummers and a couple that are well experienced in double bass and most metal musicians derive from or have played in a jazz group

[aftersh0ck]

Jazz drumming tends to be a lot more focused on rudiments, linear playing, off beats, odd-note groupings and triplets. On the other hand, metal drumming is based on speed, double bass, cymbals patterns, and fast rolls and fills. They are both hard to pull off but I would have to say, from my drumming experience, as far as technical skill in drumming goes, that jazz drumming is harder. Not saying that metal drummers aren't talented, they all are, but just that jazz drumming is harder in my experience.

[Zimba]

Jazz drumming tends to be a lot more focused on rudiments, linear playing, off beats, odd-note groupings and triplets. On the other hand, metal drumming is based on speed, double bass, cymbals patterns, and fast rolls and fills. They are both hard to pull off but I would have to say, from my drumming experience, as far as technical skill in drumming goes, that jazz drumming is harder. Not saying that metal drummers aren't talented, they all are, but just that jazz drumming is harder in my experience.

not that i dont agree with you but there are a TON of bands out there that play almost the exact same as jazz groups do but they are underground so most people dont know about them

[Normandiee]

not that i dont agree with you but there are a TON of bands out there that play almost the exact same as jazz groups do but they are underground so most people dont know about them

and what does that have anything to do with not being good? look at protest the hero, they are mostly underground and there one of the best metalish bands out there... theres alot of jazz underground band... probably cause jazz is mostly underground and probably cause jazz bands choose not do go mainstream.. i dont know and like aftershock said jazz drumming is more about rudiments off beats and stuff which is harder then speed and fills and rolls. and also as he said they both have talents but as i say its harder to play jazz then metal.

[Zimba]

and what does that have anything to do with not being good? look at protest the hero, they are mostly underground and there one of the best metalish bands out there... theres alot of jazz underground band... probably cause jazz is mostly underground and probably cause jazz bands choose not do go mainstream.. i dont know and like aftershock said jazz drumming is more about rudiments off beats and stuff which is harder then speed and fills and rolls. and also as he said they both have talents but as i say its harder to play jazz then metal.

see you dont even know what real metal is

[gOOCH]

lol zimba

[Zimba]

lol zimba

there are genres (radio whored bands usually) that are considered metal but are basically a disgrace whether people like it or not to the true essence of metal, look back at the founders then at the shit thats being released today

[Normandiee]

were talking about drums and not founders.


Give up.

[Zimba]

were talking about drums and not founders.


Give up.

give up? your trying to tell me about metal yet you cant even name me one respectable band?

[WiseGuy]

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