Roy Halladay

[rk-]

Does he stay or does he go? Should they trade him or keep him?

Personally, I don't think there is any way the Jays can get equal value for trading the best pitcher in baseball for the last five years and probably the next 5 years, no matter how many guys they get back. No matter what the scenario, you're still losing out on your star player, your team leader, and your fan favourite (especially now that Wells sucks balls). Thoughts?

[monty slick]

I think he's going but I'm on the fence about whether he should or not. Not is obvious. They could get some good players in return and as good as he is he's only one guy. One guy who needs his teams help to win the games he plays.

[gOOCH]

hes says he will go to free agency when his contact ends, he will be traded

[BrAy]

hes says he will go to free agency when his contact ends, he will be traded

So Says JP... poor doc is getting words thrown in his mouth.. i mean he probably will check the Free Agency but i don't think he will go anywhere.. i think he will finish the year out in TO, possibly sign a 2 year deal and see where the team is and will get traded next year for a bunch of prospects that hardly make it to the big leagues.. my opinion anyways.

[Timberly]

Even if they can't get "full value" back for him, get what you can instead of losing him to free agency for nothing (ie. Jay Bouwmeester in Florida last year).

And Bray, I don't think I've ever heard of a 2 year deal for a pitcher like Halladay.

[lefty]

so people do watch baseball. interesting.

[CocoonMaN]

Roy Hallady is a tricky situation. I think Riccardi would be at a loss no matter how you slice it if he trades him, simply because its become a lot like the Carter situation.

When there is so much talk about a player being traded, it inadvertedly lowers his trade value as the deadline approaches.

However the Jays seem unable to build around him, so it would be a good idea to get some value for him. Their pitching has not been the problem..

[BrAy]

Even if they can't get "full value" back for him, get what you can instead of losing him to free agency for nothing (ie. Jay Bouwmeester in Florida last year).

And Bray, I don't think I've ever heard of a 2 year deal for a pitcher like Halladay.


I kinda just threw it in as an example and not realizing at the same time :S

Err seems i can't properly quote tonight all wells.

[monty slick]

Err seems i can't properly quote tonight all wells.

Nonono, David Wells left years ago.

[thegoblin]

he's getting traded, i just hope to see him pitching behind beckett ;)

barring that, getting him out of the AL east is cool with me too.

[mfkr]

There is one big if in all of this...If the jays can prove they are moving towards becoming a contender he'll stay. And that's Doc saying that.

Now with the trade deadline looming...there are two things the jays need. 1- a closer. Scott Downs is not a closer. 2- a Defensive Bat. Let's face it, At the end of this season, Marco Scutaro is gone. He can demand top money from anyone and get it. The jays won't be willing to pay for it. Move him for an available ss or of who can hit the ball and we're taking steps in the right direction.

OH! A third thing...Move Overbay and Wells to someone willing to pick up there contracts for prospects or players. Throw the saved amount of money at doc.

[grum]

There isn't a team in the majors that will take Wells' contract and give ANYTHING in return. It is the second worst contract in the majors today (in terms of length, cost and player value) behind Barry Zito's monstrosity.

If the Jays were to trade Wells, they would have to eat at least HALF the value of it in order to get even an A-ball pitcher in return.

The Jays are probably going to be stuck with Wells for a few more seasons, so they better just sit tight and hope he figures out how to hit again.

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As for this line:
"Let's face it, At the end of this season, Marco Scutaro is gone. He can demand top money from anyone and get it."

He's going to be 34 years old next season, and this is his best year at the plate in his entire career (by a HUGE margin).
The term "regression to the mean" is used for players like this.
If any team is silly enough to offer Scutaro more than 2 years, and pays him more than $4million/year, they are nuts.
Old middle-infielders with fluke seasons are not good investments.

[rk-]

"There isn't a team in the majors that will take Wells' contract and give ANYTHING in return. It is the second worst contract in the majors today (in terms of length, cost and player value) behind Barry Zito's monstrosity." -grum (goddamn quotes don't work)

You got that off ESPN.com ;) S'ok, I read the same article.

Looks like they kept Halladay, and traded Rolen - both good moves in my books, although I totally liked Scotty-R.

[grum]

"You got that off ESPN.com ;) S'ok, I read the same article."

Actually, I don't visit ESPN. ESPN (the last I tried to use it 4 months ago) is a terrible website. The site is horrible for surfing, with all the Flash crap.

For baseball news, I read Baseball Think Factory (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org), for transactions I read Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com), and for in-depth stat tracking and analysis, I read Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com).
And if I want the box scores, I just go to MLB.com.

In the pre-season, I read the Baseball Prospectus and Baseball Forecaster books.